LIVE - Lakeside at Badminton 2026

[00:00:09] Speaker A: Shut up and ride. Ride, ride, ride. Shut up and ride. [00:00:14] Speaker B: That was so. [00:00:15] Speaker C: I love the fact no one joined in there for you, Ben. [00:00:17] Speaker B: Yeah, thanks, team. [00:00:19] Speaker A: Great. [00:00:19] Speaker B: Shut up and ride. Ride, ride, ride. [00:00:23] Speaker A: Everyone's still too sober. [00:00:25] Speaker C: If someone have said to you the first time you're going to be on a big side screen at badminton is when I'm singing into a microphone, I didn't think that would happen, but welcome to the show Override Podcast. [00:00:34] Speaker D: Yay. [00:00:37] Speaker B: Thanks for joining us, guys. [00:00:40] Speaker C: Oh, my goodness. I think it's just the number of people that were on your course walk earlier. Right. Thank you so much for coming, genuinely. I don't know where Susie is from Badminton, but thank you so much for inviting us and this crazy idea of a podcast to bring the horse world together and just love horses and have a laugh and people seem to be really enjoying it. And thank you so much. But first of all, can we say 20th five star Simon Grieve. [00:01:10] Speaker B: Yay. [00:01:11] Speaker C: Yay. So excited. [00:01:15] Speaker B: It is really exciting. It's really. I like, two or three years ago, I never thought that I would be coming back to badminton. Yeah, seriously. I just thought, right, that's it. I'm kind of like, my. My time riding at Five Star is done and he's gonna take up a [00:01:32] Speaker C: career as a TikTok dancer. [00:01:33] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. And. And, And I don't know quite how it's happened, but we are back and I've. I'm riding Buster and he's amazing. And yeah, I'm really forward to Saturday. [00:01:44] Speaker C: It is just anyone who's followed Simon's journey is amazing and you are amazing. But. But what's more amazing. Yeah, Totes. I can't be nice to you the whole hour and a half. I'm sorry. But what is amazing as well? That Ben, not only has he never been to a five star, he's never been to an event before. So big up for Ben Atkinson. Totally out of his comfort zone. We did go and walk some of the. We had to film for badminton today. I'm so sorry for whoever has to edit that, but, yeah, I was like, this isn't the podcast, Ben. We have to behave. [00:02:18] Speaker A: Yeah. Badminton's moving from a PG to an R with the content we filmed. [00:02:23] Speaker C: That's gonna get edited. But if anyone follows Sarah Bullimore, she is great fun. She was very fun on the podcast. [00:02:29] Speaker B: She talked about she's your new favorite event rider. What's that about? [00:02:33] Speaker A: My favorite female event rider? Until the guest arrives. [00:02:38] Speaker C: Until the guest arrives. We do have a guest coming, but she's got to go and do arena familiarization. So she is coming. Don't worry. You don't just have to listen to us guys for the whole hour and a half. But, Ben. So, first impressions? We did walk a few of the fences. First time at badminton. Anyone else agree with me that this is kind of like this is the eventing Mecca, isn't it, guys? This is just the best place. What do you think of first impressions of badminton? [00:03:06] Speaker A: Right, let's go shoot from the hip. Completely honest. [00:03:09] Speaker C: So last night. No, don't. [00:03:10] Speaker A: Last night in the bar, I'd had a few pints and Jenny was like, oh, are you interested in seeing the country course and stuff? And I was like, yeah. She was like, well, be a bit more excited, it's badminton. [00:03:21] Speaker C: And I said, yeah, but they're just [00:03:24] Speaker A: made to look good on tv, aren't they? Like, it's all about, look how deep that ditch is. It doesn't need to be that deep, it just makes it look more intimidating. And then I came and I saw it and I was like, no, this is insane. Like, actually insane. I think it's the width of the fences that blows my mind. I'm not sure we should be having [00:03:45] Speaker B: this conversation right now about whip. [00:03:47] Speaker C: Cross your legs, Simon. [00:03:50] Speaker B: No, I just don't talk about before I go round. [00:03:53] Speaker C: Oh, no, you'll be fine. [00:03:55] Speaker B: But it is big. It's big. [00:03:58] Speaker C: Should we be doing this? [00:03:59] Speaker A: I know it is. I've seen your gray breeches on the YouTube. [00:04:04] Speaker C: Somebody really has. She's been, like, zooming in. Whoever was, like, the big way, I. Oh, there's Susie from Badminton. [00:04:10] Speaker D: Oh, look who it is. [00:04:12] Speaker C: It's Laura College. I'm sorry. She's won lots of gold medals. You can do better than that. It's Laura College. Yes. Sit on down. Oh, my God. An actual legend in the house. How you doing, Laura? Oh, is she on? Can we turn her on, Ollie? [00:04:35] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm good, thanks, yeah. [00:04:37] Speaker C: Ben's just been talking about how big the fences are and scaring the. I can't swear off Simon. [00:04:43] Speaker D: Well, they're not small. I would agree, quite large. [00:04:48] Speaker A: But, yeah, My logic. This morning, when I was watching the horses going to the dressage, there's one that went in and I swear it was 15, two. I was like, that's the wrong plan. I'd want 18, three, 19 hands. [00:04:59] Speaker B: The bigger the horse, smaller it looks. [00:05:01] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:05:03] Speaker D: That's my theory. I go on the biggest horses, even though I'm tiny, because they look smaller. [00:05:07] Speaker B: Then I was thinking that I looked at the Horse and Hound preview in the magazine and William Fox Pitt did it and had photos of him. And they're kind of like waist height for him, aren't they? But for me, they're like up there. [00:05:17] Speaker D: Yeah. I was walking the course earlier and I said, dick, the problem is I can't see my line because I can't see over the jumps. [00:05:23] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:05:24] Speaker B: I did a, like an official, like a guided course walk and I was at those hedges. There's brushes down the bottom and I literally had to jump to be able to see the people behind. They are big. They are big. [00:05:34] Speaker C: They are absolutely ridiculous. But you're. I mean, how big's Buster? Because he doesn't look the biggest. [00:05:39] Speaker B: He'd be about 61. [00:05:40] Speaker C: And how big's Bling? Bling. Bling. [00:05:42] Speaker D: She's a big bird. [00:05:43] Speaker C: Is she a big lady? That's. [00:05:45] Speaker D: She's a big girl. [00:05:45] Speaker C: I knew she was a girl after my own heart. [00:05:47] Speaker D: She. I don't know. I don't. All my horses are 16 2, but she's probably realistically about 17 hands. [00:05:54] Speaker C: Do you just tell yourself they're 16 too? [00:05:57] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:05:57] Speaker C: So it's less far to fall? [00:05:59] Speaker D: Well, no, just. I think it's just sensible to ride a 16 2. Sounds good. [00:06:04] Speaker B: She is. She's super cool, isn't she? [00:06:07] Speaker D: She is touchwood. I keep telling her that. Yeah, she's. She's definitely excited to be back at Badminton. She last year was very naive and had no idea what Badminton was all [00:06:20] Speaker C: about and sounds like Ben. [00:06:21] Speaker D: She's rocked up this year thinking, yeah, I know where I am. [00:06:25] Speaker B: Was Babington last year her first five star? [00:06:27] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:06:27] Speaker B: Okay. I thought she'd done one before that. [00:06:30] Speaker D: No, she. She came here for her first one last year and then did Burley and [00:06:34] Speaker B: was super awesome at Burley. [00:06:35] Speaker D: Was super awesome at Burley and thinks she's quite important now. [00:06:40] Speaker B: How many not so great for the dressage? [00:06:42] Speaker D: Not great for the dressage? No. [00:06:44] Speaker A: How many five stars would you guys want to have done on a horse before that horse? You would think it's well within its wheelhouse. You're no longer testing to see if the horse is sort of capable of that level. You have confidence in it at that level? [00:06:57] Speaker D: I don't think ever. Really? I personally don't think. [00:07:01] Speaker B: I'm glad you said that. [00:07:03] Speaker D: You ever think this is fine every time you come to a five star because they're a different course? It's terrifying. [00:07:13] Speaker A: I suppose that's what makes it a five star. [00:07:15] Speaker C: Yes. [00:07:16] Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely. And the Technicality. It's hardcore every time, but they change it. Everything's different every year. So, yeah, you never really know. [00:07:27] Speaker C: And looking at the course this year, some people have just. There's a lot going on at the furthest point in the field. I just. I think there is so much to look at. But we have to talk about the iconic fence that everyone knows, which is the Vicarage V. Are you glad it's in? Are you not glad it's in? How do riders feel about that? [00:07:45] Speaker B: I'm glad it's in because it's good to have a photo afterwards. [00:07:49] Speaker C: Not like Simon. Hi, guys. [00:07:50] Speaker B: But that is the only reason. But I mean, when you're five strides away from it, it doesn't look that bad on the approach, really [00:08:03] Speaker D: telling yourself. [00:08:03] Speaker B: But then you get two strides away [00:08:05] Speaker C: and you're like, fucking hell, it wasn't me that swore first. Someone. Yes, thank God. [00:08:13] Speaker D: Yeah. From when you turn, you think, will you tell yourself it's okay, it's fine? And then you get closer and closer and you think it's unjumpable, basically. [00:08:26] Speaker C: Are you going? But does the long route ever cross your mind? [00:08:30] Speaker B: All the time. Today I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm planning. Going straight everywhere. I just kept on looking at them. [00:08:37] Speaker C: You've never looked straight, darling. [00:08:43] Speaker D: You did walk straight into that one. [00:08:45] Speaker B: I can pass it straight, thanks. [00:08:51] Speaker C: I'm so sorry. There are people here who haven't listened to the podcast, are like, what have we walked into? Sorry. No, you. I can't. [00:09:00] Speaker D: Sorry, sorry. [00:09:00] Speaker C: Say straight routes. The bending line you prefer, you won't take direct. All the way. Direct, direct route. [00:09:11] Speaker D: The long route there is very long. You might as well, you know, add on. [00:09:15] Speaker B: I was looking at it today, it doesn't look that bad. [00:09:17] Speaker D: Okay. No, it looks great. Lovely. But you won't get your photo. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that is true, that is true. [00:09:23] Speaker C: What about the Irish Bank? Is the two options on the side? I would happily jump those. I think even you could get over those with bareback without Roman riding. Yeah. Is that an option? So who's seen the Irish bank here whose guys have walked the course? Yeah, it's. That to me looks so terrifying. And it's going to suit certain types of horses. But is that an option as well? Or you just goes, no, that's not scary to me because I'm a superhuman five star rider. [00:09:51] Speaker D: Well, I'm just hoping my horse is superhuman and can fly over that. No problem in theory. [00:09:56] Speaker B: So I did the bank at Thoresby and like, I know the fence on so There was a similar ish step, big step, bouncing and over a small brush. So it's nothing like the size. But my little guy came to that and literally he was like unlike Superman and he kind of. I thought, God, he's gonna jump the whole thing and then just like bounced off the top. So I'm feeling confident. [00:10:18] Speaker D: I didn't go to Thoresby, but good for you. [00:10:26] Speaker C: Can you now see why I love Laura? [00:10:29] Speaker D: I did go, except for both sides here. I did go cross country schooling and replicate it and it was lovely at about 90 centimeters. [00:10:38] Speaker A: That applies to most of the course, I think. [00:10:40] Speaker D: Yes, yes, you're absolutely right. I jumped a lovely arrowhead in water and it was fine. The fish I did not replicate though. [00:10:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:10:49] Speaker D: And that is not 90 centimeters. [00:10:51] Speaker B: I was saying on my course walk today, I the water at the top, you've got rails down slope into the water, left handed corner, curve to a right handed corner coming out up the slope and in the school at home I built a left handed corner and then a curve to a right handed corner and I was like, see, I've prepared for it. Apart from no water, no slope, no camber. But you know. [00:11:13] Speaker D: But you're ready at least. [00:11:14] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm totally ready. [00:11:15] Speaker D: So ready. [00:11:15] Speaker B: Born ready. [00:11:16] Speaker D: Born ready. [00:11:17] Speaker C: So from a like. So a lot like Gemma, who we big fans of the podcast and she likes to blank you. If anyone's listened to that episode with Gemma Castle. [00:11:26] Speaker D: Sorry, Stevens, she does that a lot. [00:11:27] Speaker C: Yeah. Simon was riding along and went, oh, there's Gemma and called her and he just, he could see her in the distance and she just went [00:11:35] Speaker B: in her, in her defense and to make me feel better. [00:11:39] Speaker D: It's a better story. Don't defend her. [00:11:41] Speaker A: She just had a really bad time. [00:11:43] Speaker B: She'd driven all the way to uk, which would be like four hours for her and she was doing second rounds and she jumped a clear round in the first round but got a time fault so then got knocked out. [00:11:52] Speaker D: Oh, and Gemma likes going fast so [00:11:54] Speaker B: that would be a time fault to then not get through to the next round. And then I rang and I was like, oh, thanks for that. [00:11:59] Speaker C: Yeah. She was like, he's used to time faults. Put him away. Oh no, sorry, sorry, it's too easy. [00:12:05] Speaker B: She was, she was walking the course just ahead of me when I was doing my guided one. [00:12:09] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:12:09] Speaker B: And we kept on saying, she was like, oh my God, he's catching me up. What's going on? He's always slow. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Thanks. [00:12:16] Speaker C: But she famously hates schooling, which blows my mind because she just said, are you. I'll start with Laura. Are you the same? Do you love it when you're out and. Or do you like actually cross country schooling? She's like, I hate it. Jumping big fences out of cold blood or do you not mind? [00:12:31] Speaker D: Well, I don't jump big fences, cross country schooling. So I prefer cross country schooling than going around the cross country here. This is terrifying. [00:12:42] Speaker C: Starting to question why you do this. [00:12:44] Speaker D: I do that on a daily basis. [00:12:45] Speaker C: You just really like the medals you win. [00:12:47] Speaker D: Yeah, I like it. Like it when it's over. [00:12:49] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:12:50] Speaker C: I was trying to actually add up how many medals you've won. It's quite a lot, isn't it? I was getting Ben to Wikipedia you because we'd lost count of how many medals. Does anyone here know how many medals Laura's won from Pony Junior Young riders? Golds and bronzes? Anyone know? Nobody. It is, I think 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. Is that right? [00:13:18] Speaker D: I have no idea. [00:13:19] Speaker C: That deserves a round of applause, guys. That is a lot of medals for our country. [00:13:24] Speaker D: I have a lot of good ponies, [00:13:27] Speaker C: but obviously the. The horse. Everyone wants to know how he is and. I know, I know. Ben was very interested to find out more about his name. It's the Wonderful Dan London, 52. How's he doing? [00:13:37] Speaker D: He's great. Yeah. No, he's in good form. [00:13:39] Speaker C: Is he? [00:13:41] Speaker D: He's being wrapped up in cotton wool and hopefully going to the World Championship. So he doesn't get to come and play at badminton this year. [00:13:48] Speaker C: Oh, that would be pretty cool, though. World Championship. [00:13:50] Speaker B: Exciting. So exciting. [00:13:52] Speaker C: It is so exciting. He is such a special horse, isn't he? I just. I don't think there are words to describe him. I think we've run out of them, haven't we? [00:14:01] Speaker D: The dictionary isn't big enough for him. [00:14:05] Speaker C: Are you gonna miss him here this weekend or. Obviously bling and you're a good partnership now and she's awesome, but is there a little bit of you like, oh, [00:14:13] Speaker D: I'll miss him tomorrow when I'm about to go in the dressage arena. But obviously I love him to bits, but I won't miss him on Saturday because that vicarage area has got quite a few ditches and that wouldn't be his favorite thing in the world. So he's been here once. He won it. He doesn't need to come back. [00:14:36] Speaker B: So going back to the dressage, like wanting. Wanting to be on Dan going into the arena. What makes. [00:14:41] Speaker D: Because he goes on the bit, bling doesn't really helps. Bling. May leave the dressage arena. Bling may not get in the dressage arena. Dan likes going in the dressage arena. [00:14:52] Speaker B: Does he really, like, rise, step up to the occasion and he knows exactly what you're wanting. It must feel like that. Yeah, that must be an amazing feeling. I don't think I've ever had that. [00:15:01] Speaker D: Yeah, it's pretty cool. I don't think I'll ever get it again. But he. He rises the occasion, like, at home. And the one days he does, like, nice work, but nothing like, wow. And then you go to a big competition and there's a crowd and he literally grows and is like, right, hold my beer, off we go. And, yeah, you can actually enjoy dressage, which is shocking, I think, because on [00:15:25] Speaker B: a lot lower scale, myself and. Myself and Buster, like, when we finished at Burley, like, we jumped clear around the show jumping, which was amazing. Had I told you that? [00:15:33] Speaker C: No, you hadn't told me. Did you go clear it? But that deserves a cheer. And double, double, double. Clearly double clear. You haven't told us, though. Thank you. [00:15:41] Speaker B: And we finished and the crowd went absolutely mental. It was. It was so good. But. And after that, I thought, I hope he's not kind of got a bit unnerved by, like, the crowds. And then we had our. And when we went on tour and we had some crowds there and he just loved it. And he's really, like, going into the arena today. Like, I tried it up and I was like. And then they're all chattering because it was just after the break and I [00:16:00] Speaker C: was like, that was me and Ben on the side. I'm sorry. [00:16:04] Speaker A: And. [00:16:04] Speaker B: And. But he was just like, yeah, man, [00:16:06] Speaker D: this is really good. [00:16:07] Speaker B: And he really rose to the occasion. I was like, this is great. [00:16:10] Speaker D: Yeah, some. Some horses it can have a really positive effect on. And some not so much. Dan, when he was younger, I remember at Buccalow, he went into the prize giving and he hated it. He literally was like, ground, eat me up. This is, like, terrifying. He was shaking. A year on, he went back into the prize giving at Buccalow and it was just like this whole. His whole demeanor changed. And he stood there and he looked at the crowds and he was like, this is where I'm meant to be. These people are here for me. And since, yeah, since that day, he's just been like, everyone's here to see me. [00:16:42] Speaker B: Ros was saying about Lordship's Gruffalo Walter at the trot up, he was like, because the crowd's basically on the left, isn't it as you trot away. And on the right, he was like, looking to the left as you're trotting out that way. Looking to the right as you're trotting the other way. [00:16:54] Speaker D: He was like, this is what everyone has come to me. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Amazing. [00:16:58] Speaker C: Ben hates it when we. I'm going to use a big word. Careful, it might go wrong. Anthropomorphosize. Did I say that right? [00:17:05] Speaker B: What does that mean? [00:17:06] Speaker C: It means when you humanize animals. Yes. Is that right, Ben? Ben's like, yeah, but you don't enjoy it. [00:17:12] Speaker A: You know me so well because while Simon was saying that, I was thinking, yeah. The flight animal decided to keep its eyes on the biggest threat, which was the crowd at all times. [00:17:24] Speaker D: That makes far more sense. [00:17:26] Speaker C: I'm sorry to burst your bubble, guys, [00:17:30] Speaker D: that we have to tell ourselves that they just, oh, they're here for me and the crowd. [00:17:34] Speaker B: No, Ros told me that, so it must be true. [00:17:38] Speaker D: Roz said it. It's true. [00:17:40] Speaker C: We can't argue with Roz. But no, I could see you and you're like, do I say anything? Do I not say anything? The autism in me says, I want to start talking, but the Ben that's at badminton says, I don't want to shit on their parade. You can talk, Ben. You've got a mic. [00:17:55] Speaker A: But you kept. Yeah, but my brief all day has been be yourself, but just not like you. [00:18:01] Speaker B: And no swearing. [00:18:01] Speaker A: Be yourself, but less, but more. [00:18:03] Speaker C: Yeah, it has been. But no, in all seriousness, no, I can't be serious. But that they are looking at the crowd. Do you think horses can. Because I believe that they do love it and you've seen the change and [00:18:15] Speaker B: how can you explain that? Because it. Like when I went in today, there was that feeling of. He was literally. He was like, whoa, this is really. And I know when a horse is unhappy about a crowd because I've had it lots of times. [00:18:29] Speaker D: More often than not. [00:18:29] Speaker B: More often than not. [00:18:30] Speaker A: We all have. [00:18:31] Speaker B: He was literally like, yeah, man. That's what it felt like. [00:18:34] Speaker A: He like from the first time I met Buster on tour, like, he lights up for a crowd. He really does. He's happier. Like when I was watching you in the warm up with him and you can see. I think it's almost more like a. Like if you're a person that's hyperactive in your brain, then. Have you seen. Ever heard on the weird thing where they play two sets of music at the same time or music with dialogue at the same time can help relax someone who's got, like an ADHD mind and because it gives you something more to think about. And I think some horses that are very busy deal better when there's more going on. When there's. When there's more going on around them, they have things to think about, so they're not looking for things to think about. And so it helps them focus more, if that makes sense. [00:19:20] Speaker B: So it's more a focus thing than a showing off type thing. [00:19:25] Speaker A: I think it is a showing off thing, but not in an anthropomorphized. The horse is showing off because it wants to look as grand as possible. Probably more from a evolutionary inner situation where there's a lot going on. Make yourself look bigger and more athletic, more adrenaline pumping through the horse, and that's what help us get those. Know there's bigger movements and flashier gates with. With less from ourselves. [00:19:50] Speaker C: But don't you think that. I remember speaking to you after. Obviously you won your first ever many five stars with Dan, and you were like, he suddenly, like, got it the prize giving and he knew. And you do feel like he does know when he's won. [00:20:05] Speaker D: I mean, he thinks. He thinks he wins all the time. But. Yeah, no, he definitely. He definitely changed in the prize giving at Buccalow that year and definitely appreciates a crowd. And I think in. In Paris, when I followed the French guy into the show jumping arena and the crowd was going mental, he definitely was like, oh, thanks, guys. That's just for me cantering into the arena. I've not even done anything yet. I. Yeah, he, he. I mean, I probably don't overthink things as much as this one here. [00:20:45] Speaker A: That was psycho in the corner. [00:20:46] Speaker D: That was too much overanalyzing for my brain. I. I like to think that he's happy when he's got people clapping for him. And I'm gonna roll with that. [00:20:56] Speaker C: So. Oh, Amy's in tears, all right. But Becky Moody, who's just won the world Cup, I know she's not here, but we could give her a cheer because she's a legend. I was sat very lucky to be watching her at the World Cup. I was pretending to work and then still stood on the kiss and cry next to Kim during the prize giving. And Kim is her traveling groom. And bomb stood like an absolute ledge, like, taking it all in. And Kim said to me, if he's in second or third, he won't stand still. He PS and passages and gets angry. He'll only stand if he's won. How do you explain that? Benjamin. [00:21:30] Speaker B: Oh, he's going to look at him [00:21:33] Speaker C: and that's the end. Good night. Smile or not. [00:21:38] Speaker D: Smile or not. [00:21:39] Speaker A: Yeah, if you like. The horse knows that after the prize giving, they're done, so there's a big thing. And then obviously. [00:21:49] Speaker D: So you're trying to say, they're just so relieved it's over. They're like, brilliant. [00:21:53] Speaker A: Well, we all are. [00:21:54] Speaker C: You know what I mean? [00:21:55] Speaker A: That same. You're like, oh, now I can. You know. I think there's a big thing of that. Like, I know with my horses, they know a bit different in our shows, but the last thing I do with them in the show is lay them all down. And the reason I put the lay down at the end is say if you're like, in an indoor arena with 10,000 people cheering, asking horses to lay down in that environment is insane. And so if they know that after that lay down, we're done, we get out, then they're more eager to do it. And it's that sort of playing with the patterns of it. You could say for the second or third thing that everyone's had a horse that's worse to ride at the back of a hack. And then also, Ryder's not going to have the same level of contentment. [00:22:35] Speaker C: That's a really good point. [00:22:36] Speaker A: They've not won. [00:22:38] Speaker D: You invited him. [00:22:40] Speaker C: Don't clap him. He gets enough of that at home. [00:22:46] Speaker B: He is very clever, though. [00:22:47] Speaker C: He is really clever. [00:22:49] Speaker A: Imagine how hard it is living with this brain. At least you lot don't have this while you're doing things, when you're like, oh, me and my horse are so at one. And then my. The voice in the back's like, well, [00:23:03] Speaker C: what does the voice in the back of your head sound like? [00:23:06] Speaker A: Well, just so you know. Have you thought. Yeah. [00:23:13] Speaker C: Is that like that chimp thing when you have to give your chimp a name? [00:23:17] Speaker B: Yeah. As in the chimp paradox thing. [00:23:19] Speaker C: Yeah. Because Kirsty Chappe was telling me hers is called Priscilla. Yeah, Priscilla. She's like. So she'd be galloping up to something like the Vicarage V. I know she's not competing here this year, but from last year, she was like, be galloping up to him and she's like, I can't swear, but she'd be like, f off, Priscilla. I'm jumping it F off Priscilla. So that's how she copes with her chimp. Do you have a chimp? [00:23:42] Speaker B: I definitely have a chimp, but I haven't named them. [00:23:44] Speaker C: Maybe we could name it for you. Yeah, [00:23:52] Speaker B: Fair f off, jenny. [00:23:59] Speaker C: That is fair after the abuse I've given him this evening. But that, yeah, that is the thing though, isn't it? The chimp. I don't really. I've never done it or understood it, but is there an inner voice that you guys have to shoo away? [00:24:12] Speaker B: Well, I don't know the technical terms for it, but yeah, there is a. There's your chimp brain and there's your. What is it? Computer brain. The chimp brain is what you do naturally, which is basically the flight. And you know, you're just about to prepare to go around this cross country here on Saturday and your chimp is telling you this is a really bad idea because it's trying to protect you. So the chimp is telling you that this is a bad idea. And then you've got your other brain, which is. Which I think is your computer brain, which, like, you need to kind of manage that says, actually, no, this should be okay, let's do it. [00:24:40] Speaker C: But then that's how you work around horses, isn't it? Because you get all the parts of their brain, whereas we just go, I, oh, they love me and they want to be my friends and hold hands and skip. [00:24:48] Speaker A: No, I think it all comes down to training, doesn't it? Because the training is where you get, I don't know what we're calling it, your prefrontal cortex, your computer brain, where you can replace instinct with habits and patterns. And whether that's us when we ride, whether that's the horse in a dressage test or coming into a fence, you train those habit loops and those patterns so that when adrenaline kicks in, when you're not thinking, that's what your body falls. Falls into naturally? [00:25:15] Speaker C: Do you think when you're at badminton and this is a five star, like you say, you can't practice for this really, can you? There's no, there's no rehearsal in. There's no cross country course in the planet that can. You can set up exercises or whatever, but do you think it is that moment of adrenaline and just focus that means you can do it? Because you both are like Simon's like, how's the cross country? It looks really fun. And you are openly honest is what it's called. Yes. Is it just the moment that makes you want to do it? Like what? But you're sitting here going, but what is it that makes you actually get over those fences? Apart from your amazing horse, obviously? [00:25:50] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, basically, yeah. I don't know, maybe adrenaline junkies and a bit crazy and Then there's nothing else I can really do because I'm not very good at anything else. So get on and go out at Starbucks. [00:26:02] Speaker B: I also know that, and I tried to think about it quite a lot now is because I've been quite lucky and done quite a lot of bigger [00:26:09] Speaker C: tracks in my 25 stars. [00:26:14] Speaker B: I know that by the time I've got to fence, well, even fence four, I'm having a ball. I'm having a great time and I'm really enjoying myself. And I. So I. I do tell myself before I'm about to go and do something really big, when my chimp is telling me, this is a really bad idea, let's not do it. And I'm thinking, how can I withdraw it out looking really stupid, you know, that's. That's my way through it. [00:26:34] Speaker C: Okay, what's your way through it? Because I know you do get through it because you've won loads of stuff. [00:26:39] Speaker D: To be fair. As soon as you're on the horse, then you're okay. You're okay. It's the lead up to it. It's a Saturday morning, and you question your sanity. You question what on earth you're doing. Why am I here? I could be, you know, anywhere other than feeling like this. And then you get on and then you've got a bit more of a focus because you've got to warm the horse up. And the moment you go out of the start box, it's like everything leaves your brain other than your plan. And you, you focus on the fences. You don't really. You don't really see the crowds. You don't notice the crowds until you come into this area here. [00:27:17] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:27:18] Speaker D: And then suddenly it's like, well, that's a lot of people. And then you think that there's a very big fish into the lake. [00:27:24] Speaker C: Focus Mentioned that one a few times. I don't like that it's really big. Do. [00:27:30] Speaker A: Do either of you notice the people when you're doing. [00:27:33] Speaker C: Yeah, just. [00:27:34] Speaker D: Just when we come into this area. [00:27:37] Speaker A: Just in this area. [00:27:38] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:27:38] Speaker C: Don't forget, Ben has absolutely no idea how many people are going to be here on Saturday. Like, I don't think you can eat is insane, isn't it? Like, the number of people. [00:27:47] Speaker B: You have so many people that you do end up not noticing. [00:27:50] Speaker A: Well, just. I know, like, it's. I know what we do is completely different, but doesn't matter if there's, like. I'm more likely to notice a crowd if I'm at, like a really small event and there's 10 people around the arena and I know four of them. [00:28:02] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:28:02] Speaker A: But then if there's a massive crowd, you just. [00:28:05] Speaker D: Because from start to finish, it's pretty much a crowd. So then it's. You don't really notice it because it's. [00:28:12] Speaker A: Yeah. You're zoned in. [00:28:14] Speaker B: The first Bailey I did. Which is in 2012, I think it was. I was so slow that I. I did recognize people in the crowd as [00:28:22] Speaker C: I was going along. Oh, mate, you shouldn't. [00:28:26] Speaker D: You shouldn't admit to things. [00:28:31] Speaker B: It's bad. I think I got 83 time faults or something. I was the slowest person around Burleigh with a clear round twice in a row. [00:28:38] Speaker C: Did you get lapped? But you weren't clear. [00:28:43] Speaker B: I was having a lovely time. I was getting my money's worth. [00:28:47] Speaker C: But now you're so famous and like, such an influencer. [00:28:50] Speaker B: I'm so fast. [00:28:51] Speaker C: So fast. Yeah. You won't have time to see the Siame signs go, Simee. I do love. I'm sure lots of you follow Simon, but could we just get one of the odd noises that you make when you go over a fence? The wee woo. I just love it. And he genuinely does that all the time. [00:29:10] Speaker B: I did do a woohoo after I jumped the Cotsmole. [00:29:14] Speaker C: Oh, did you? [00:29:14] Speaker B: And also my mum. Mum's over there. When I. Mum used to fence judge at Burghley until last year, and every time I jumped her fence, I'd say, hi, Mum. [00:29:25] Speaker C: Hi, Mum. Nothing after the fence or before or over in midair. [00:29:30] Speaker B: Which is really bad, isn't it? [00:29:32] Speaker C: That is. Which fence was it? [00:29:35] Speaker B: Multiples. [00:29:36] Speaker C: Multiple. Oh, my gosh. That is hilarious. Because there is, like, there are some riders because you two are very smiley and happy and funny. Luckily for us. But there is a moment like when we saw Simon today and I've obviously seen you millions of times, but you do suddenly have this moment of steely focus, like you do called a resting bitch face. Because we were standing by as you trotted in Simon and it is like, right, game on. Like, we're not here to mess up, man. [00:30:08] Speaker B: I'm scary. [00:30:10] Speaker C: If that's what you think. Yeah. What did you think of the dressage today? You had to. He had to comment on dressage today. It's on social media. It's brilliant. [00:30:19] Speaker A: Yeah. They sent me off with Abby Lyle and we're like, abby's going to teach you how to mark dressage and then we're going to film you marking some of this dressage. [00:30:26] Speaker B: Wow. I bet that was Quite good fun. When's that going to be? [00:30:28] Speaker A: I was terrified. It's out now. But that was terrifying. And then the worst part was, as we were going to do it, I said to Abby, I was like, I really don't know. She was like, no, but you do know. I was like, yeah, I know how to get on the horse and push the things. I never don't know even how it's judged. She was like, no, no, it's going to be easy. You're going to be fine. We sat down. [00:30:48] Speaker B: She. [00:30:48] Speaker A: She was like, asked me what I saw. I started speaking and she was like, oh, oh, right. Oh, okay. Right. So this is how we judge a walk. This is. I think it's. When I said, are we. So you said something about the position of a rider and I was like, oh, we're marking horse and rider together. Like, she's like, yes. I said, oh, cool. I thought it was the movement of the horse. [00:31:12] Speaker B: Did Abby think that they're being quite tough with the marking today? [00:31:15] Speaker C: Lots of people thought that, yeah. [00:31:18] Speaker A: Her mark, the mark she gave the tests were considerably. Where judges were giving sixes, she would have given sevens. Where, like, yeah, as long as they're [00:31:29] Speaker B: consistent, though, it doesn't. Doesn't really matter. [00:31:31] Speaker C: Laura's like, no, I'm on tomorrow. [00:31:34] Speaker D: I'm hoping they have a very large gin tonight and come out a little bit happier tomorrow. [00:31:38] Speaker B: But it's. It's interesting though, isn't it? Because very often the Friday, they are more generous. I would you not agree with. [00:31:45] Speaker D: So I used to think very much so, but I think since they've changed that you can't. Like, the two horse riders can't pick which horse they want to ride in which order. So you'd always put your sort of your better one second. I think recently in the last couple of years, it's been pretty level. Like, if you look back, there's been some leading tests right from Thursday, early on Thursday morning. I think the judges have got a lot better at giving them right marks from the first lot of horses rather than wait until Friday afternoon. It used to be a real thing that unless you're in the. After the lunch break on Friday, you weren't going to get a good test. But I do think it is. It is different now. [00:32:30] Speaker B: And also knowing somebody like Angela Tucker, who was on the grand jury, like, she takes it very seriously to be consistent all the way through, doesn't she? [00:32:37] Speaker D: Yeah. And I think like you said, you know, as long as they're consistent, if they're if they're, if their market is [00:32:42] Speaker B: certainly stingy, it's okay. [00:32:43] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. And they don't suddenly decide to flip find the 8, 9 button until I go in. That's fine. [00:32:50] Speaker A: As someone who'd like. I really do know nothing about all this works. How detrimental can be. Does your dressage score make or break the weekend or is it not that simple? [00:33:02] Speaker D: It can. And certain events, I would say more so than others. For example, at a five star, probably not as much as some other like championship events, it's more important to be within the first two or three to be able to stand a chance of being anywhere near winning a medal. [00:33:24] Speaker B: Whereas I've never had to think about this, just FYI. [00:33:29] Speaker D: Whereas at 5 stars you see like some have come from miles back and you think, well I'm 24th after dressage. But then you can end up in the top three because the jumping is far more influential at a five star than it, than it is at other competitions. [00:33:47] Speaker A: Yeah. So it can. Yeah. Your scoreboard can flip round after the cross country because horses have been pulled up or changed. Oh yeah, yeah. [00:33:54] Speaker D: And time and, and all the rest of it. Obviously this year we've, we've got good ground. So I think the time will be slightly easier to get than it say two years ago when it was muddy. And I don't think anyone, not even, not even Walter made the time. [00:34:09] Speaker B: Madness. [00:34:10] Speaker C: This is how little Ben knows. I'm sorry, Ben going to call you out. He. After Simon's test he went. So after the first round, does anyone get eliminated or do they all make it through to the next round? Yes, Ben, Unless they've left the boards. Yes. Everyone gets to go go on the next round. [00:34:28] Speaker A: I think you should let me like come up with my own event now. Now I've, I've got half rules. Throw it together. [00:34:34] Speaker D: I think it could be more fun. [00:34:35] Speaker C: Like you have come up with an idea. [00:34:36] Speaker A: I did come up with a mad idea. [00:34:38] Speaker C: Good idea. I think we should do this. [00:34:39] Speaker A: I was talking about a team's eventing idea. But you have an eventer, a five star eventer does the cross country. A grand prix dressage rider does a grand prix test. And then a top level show jumper does the like a, you know, three person team, three man team. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Sounds really cool. [00:34:54] Speaker C: Who would you guys want on your team? Who would you want to be your dressage rider? And who would you want to be your show jumper? [00:35:01] Speaker B: Becky Moody, dressage and then Holly Smith, show jumping. [00:35:05] Speaker C: Oh, Simon said to me, oh, I'm glad I warmed Up Bomb for Becky before she went to the world. Yeah, that made the difference, Simon. [00:35:13] Speaker B: It did. [00:35:14] Speaker C: He said it was such sincerity. [00:35:16] Speaker B: Because he loves me. [00:35:17] Speaker A: I said they're both bae. We should have brought Bomb. Sent you in on him for the dressage today. Swapped him back out. [00:35:24] Speaker B: I'd still screw that up. I do think I'd do one time changes when we're supposed to do one change. [00:35:29] Speaker A: Simon, there's no passage or two times in this test. [00:35:33] Speaker C: I'm having so much fun. Who would you choose? Scarlett? [00:35:42] Speaker D: I would probably choose Lottie Fry for the dressage. [00:35:46] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:35:47] Speaker D: And then jumping Scott Rash. [00:35:51] Speaker C: Good. [00:35:52] Speaker B: Good shout. [00:35:53] Speaker C: Yeah, good shout. [00:35:54] Speaker B: What would you choose? [00:35:55] Speaker C: Oh, Oh, I definitely. Because I'm a five star eventer. Yeah, that's happened. This is the only time I'm ever going to be on a screen at badminton. Let's face it. Unless they're looking for someone to arrest after a Saturday night, so it's obviously Mr. Hester. [00:36:13] Speaker D: Come on. [00:36:14] Speaker C: Thank you. Wow. Wow. Past boyfriend. Someone's going like this. We'll chat. Sorry. Carl might be here. He said he was coming on the Thursday. Oh, God, he is here. He's not in here, is he? Jesus. I love you, Carl. Not anymore. He saw him and legged it. Oh, God, this is all coming. Never getting voted back, am I? I then jumping. Oh, that's a really tough one. So there's lots of jumpers. Shane Breen, I'd ask you the same question. [00:36:57] Speaker A: Oh, it's just pointless. [00:36:58] Speaker C: You'd say Jay Hallam for everything. [00:37:00] Speaker A: I just don't know anyone. [00:37:04] Speaker C: Pardon? Jay Hallam. Her. Your ex boyfriend is Jay Hallam? I doubt it. [00:37:11] Speaker A: I. Yeah. [00:37:12] Speaker C: Was that pre 2000? Okay, we digress. [00:37:20] Speaker A: Let's get this back in the room, people. [00:37:23] Speaker C: Back in the room. [00:37:27] Speaker A: Anyway, Jenny, I couldn't possibly pick a team because it's my event. I came up with it. So I'll be. I'll just manage walking around. [00:37:34] Speaker C: Okay. Name the five star rider you would like on your team. Oh, great. [00:37:37] Speaker D: That's even. [00:37:38] Speaker A: It's one of these two because they're the only two I know. [00:37:41] Speaker D: You know I'm closest, so. [00:37:43] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:43] Speaker C: Laura. Until last week he thought she was called Ross Cantor. [00:37:50] Speaker D: Close enough. [00:37:51] Speaker A: It's spelt with an S. And I'm dyslexic. [00:37:57] Speaker C: I do think it's good. I think we should make this happen, though. I think that would be an excellent competition. I think it would be. How big would you have to go meet a 60 show jumping and do a proper freestyle. Freestyle? [00:38:07] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:38:08] Speaker B: Can we swap horses? [00:38:09] Speaker A: I was gonna say, then you could do a special thing. You could add a rule where you can get extra marks if you swap horses and disciplines. So, like, put Simon on bomb for the Grand Prix. Put Becky on Buster to go. [00:38:22] Speaker C: Which would you rather do though, the jumping or the dress up? [00:38:25] Speaker A: To be fair, Becky could do that after we saw you give her that jumping lesson she was tipped on. [00:38:31] Speaker C: Which would you rather though do if you had to do either Grand Prix dressage or Grand Prix show jumping? We're talking five star show jumping. Which would you rather have a go at? [00:38:40] Speaker B: Oh, no, that's really difficult one because, like, riding bomb was really cool. So I'd love to have a go at that. But also I'd love to jump a 160 track, really good horse. [00:38:49] Speaker D: Yeah. For me jumping, really? Yeah, I'd love to ride a horse that can really jump. [00:38:55] Speaker C: Okay, so if. Then which horse would you ride? If you could ride any. Any show jumping horse? That's quite tricky. [00:39:04] Speaker B: I don't know. [00:39:05] Speaker C: You don't? Jesus. Stay in your own lane. You don't know enough. [00:39:10] Speaker A: See. Can I just point out, it's not just me that doesn't know enough about other aspects of the equine world they're not involved with. [00:39:17] Speaker C: Shout them some show jumpers. Bet you lot know more than they do. [00:39:21] Speaker B: I was thinking big star, but I [00:39:22] Speaker C: thought someone just said Pizza Hut. [00:39:26] Speaker D: Danny's hungry. [00:39:29] Speaker C: Hello, Folly. [00:39:30] Speaker B: Great. [00:39:30] Speaker D: Oh, I'm sorry. I would not want it. Scott does an amazing job on that mare. She looks tricky. [00:39:35] Speaker C: She does look tricky, but you can [00:39:36] Speaker D: drop your reins and still jump through a 160 treble. So that might be the horse for me. [00:39:43] Speaker C: So looking ahead to show jumping day, how. Obviously you're both going to be there in the second half of the day. [00:39:51] Speaker B: Yes. [00:39:52] Speaker C: Yeah, it's going to happen. Yay. Some of it. Yay. How scary is that? Again, going back in that arena, jumping in front of all those people and just kind of getting you together, is that in a moment you can actually enjoy? Like, is there any of these points where you can just really take a moment to take in the crowd, take in how much people want to see you go and enjoy it, or does that only happen after that final fence? [00:40:16] Speaker B: Well, I suppose it depends a little bit on where you are. Like when you're in the lead. That's stressful stuff. [00:40:21] Speaker C: I was gonna say, isn't that really, like. Yeah, you can't enjoy or you can horrific. [00:40:27] Speaker B: Like, how do you deal with that on the whole, like, it's a long time to wait on Sunday, isn't it? [00:40:32] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:40:33] Speaker C: The. [00:40:33] Speaker D: The year I was in the lead, I thought it was the longest day in the whole entire world. And I just locked myself in the lorry and put some rubbish on tv. My friend came in and was like, you really need to eat something because you're not showed me until like 4 o'. Clock. And she said it was watching me try and eat a breakfast bar was like doing a bush tucker trial on I'm A Celebrity and she said I looked every mouth like I was going to throw up. But I actually remember I had a text from Mick Fitzgerald and he said, I know you'll be feeling like you want to be anywhere than where you are, but remember, everyone currently wants to be in your position. [00:41:13] Speaker C: Oh, that's a good. That's a Ben quote. Like that one. [00:41:16] Speaker D: Suck it up. And it's something that's really stuck with me. It is true. Like you think, God, this is an awful position to be in, but every other person there wants to be you, so you have to try to remember that pressure is a privilege. [00:41:31] Speaker B: And then off you went and won. [00:41:33] Speaker C: You did. You won on the year I went to bloody Canada and I couldn't be here to watch you. [00:41:41] Speaker D: Yeah, a good year. [00:41:42] Speaker C: I hate this question, but there's no other way of putting it. How does it feel to win badminton? [00:41:50] Speaker B: Out of body, Ben. [00:41:51] Speaker C: You can't tell Ben when to talk. [00:41:53] Speaker A: I was just gonna go. [00:41:54] Speaker C: I know. [00:41:55] Speaker A: It is great question, Jenny. [00:41:56] Speaker C: It's the worst question, but it is one of those, well, how does it [00:41:59] Speaker A: feel to ride down the centre line? [00:42:00] Speaker C: But it is it. How does it feel? But it's like. It is a terrible question, but it's. Is it relief? Joy? Thank. Because I ask a lot of riders, which would you rather win a gold medal at the Olympics or win badminton? You've done both, young lady. But most riders say badminton. Was that for you the same case and. But is it relief? I can do this. Or was it. [00:42:26] Speaker D: It's honestly everything. I think the. The first stride, landing over the last fence is pure relief because there's been a pretty stressful week and you're just relieved that you've not messed it up. Then it's all the emotions, the joy, the tears start coming uncontrollably and you do a really embarrassing interview on BBC where you can't understand a word you're saying because you're hyperventilating, shaking all the everything. But yeah, it's something that you dream about but you don't ever think is Even going to come close to being a reality. And then when it does, you just don't believe it. I literally didn't go to sleep that. That night because I was like, have I. I'm gonna wake up and it's not gonna be real. So I was pretty tired the week after. But, yeah, it's just an unbelievable. Yeah, just one of those moments that you want to bottle up and take with you to carry through all the bad days. [00:43:26] Speaker B: I literally dread to think what I would be like if something like that happened. I was coming up the centre line today having done a pretty well a night. A good test for me, but pretty average test in comparison to, like, everybody else with the leadership. I nearly cried on the center line. I was cantinut and then did my little shot transition. I was like, oh, that was really good. [00:43:43] Speaker C: Oh, you're so good. Your whole was so good at the start. [00:43:47] Speaker B: It was amazing. I was in the lead for the first two movements. [00:43:52] Speaker C: How cool is that? [00:43:53] Speaker B: I know. [00:43:54] Speaker C: Both Buster just went ka dunk and me and Ben went bloody hell. [00:43:59] Speaker B: Because normally we do like a nose dive. Both of a. Like, stop are it. But yeah, no, it was really good. [00:44:07] Speaker C: And he was like, up here and in front of the vertical. He was on the bed. [00:44:11] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:44:11] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:44:12] Speaker D: Great. [00:44:13] Speaker C: It was so good. [00:44:14] Speaker D: Not that she sounds shocked at all, you know. [00:44:17] Speaker C: No. And your elbow was in. [00:44:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yes. Someone else said that to me as well. I mean, it's. [00:44:23] Speaker D: Do you have a rogue. [00:44:24] Speaker B: Really naughty. It does that a lot. [00:44:26] Speaker D: I do that cross country a lot. [00:44:30] Speaker C: But he has like this weird. Not weird, but it's just like, you don't do it. Oh, my God. This. [00:44:36] Speaker B: This. This should. This is my excuse. This shoulder dislocated about a million times and I had surgery on it, so that's why it sticks out. [00:44:43] Speaker C: You're talking to the girl that's just come out of collarbone surgery. How are you, by the way? [00:44:49] Speaker D: Yeah, good, thanks. [00:44:49] Speaker C: How long ago did you have your surgery? [00:44:52] Speaker D: Five, six weeks ago. [00:44:54] Speaker B: She's hardcore. [00:44:57] Speaker C: I mean, that is a. Like, was there any part of you that thought you might not be here or were you like, no, this is. It's not even a thought. [00:45:06] Speaker D: No, no, it wasn't a thought. [00:45:08] Speaker C: Is it not? You are absolutely nuts. And Simon's like, this is why my elbow's bad. Crying down the line. [00:45:17] Speaker D: Now I know I've got an excuse when it doesn't go on the bit or I can't turn right. Oh, I. Collarbone's not fixed. See, Surgeon did a really bad job. [00:45:25] Speaker B: The same [00:45:28] Speaker C: in all. So are you all. Are you in pain? You all right? Are you fixed? [00:45:32] Speaker D: No. Great. Yeah. Much better than I was a few [00:45:34] Speaker C: weeks ago because before it was like it'd come dislodged or. I don't know. You told me in a text message and I was like, no. Yeah. And how are you, Benji, with your knee? Does everyone know about poor Ben? [00:45:45] Speaker A: I don't think any. [00:45:46] Speaker C: I know there's actually a lady there about who looks genuinely concerned. [00:45:50] Speaker A: Even I'm bored of me and my knee at this point. [00:45:53] Speaker D: Oh, but go on. I don't know about your knee, so. [00:45:55] Speaker A: Snapped my ACL dismounted one at standstill. [00:45:58] Speaker D: That was careless. [00:45:59] Speaker A: Yeah. All the ridiculous stuff that we do and just got off and my knee fell off. Yeah, no, I'm alright. I'm just very aware of it. It just gets really fat when I've done too much with it and I'm a bit lame after I've been out at an event for a few days, but I'm alright. I give myself a beaut and cold hose and crack on like. [00:46:21] Speaker C: Yeah, he did send us the video of him. This. [00:46:24] Speaker A: You can hear it. [00:46:25] Speaker C: You can. Literally, it's. Yeah. [00:46:26] Speaker A: I didn't have a mic on and my. I just had my phone balanced against the arena fence because I was riding this four year old and as I got off in the middle of the arena, the moment my foot hits the floor, it sounds like someone snaps a branch near the. [00:46:41] Speaker C: I could probably find it and play it. It is. Yeah, it's kind of. [00:46:44] Speaker A: And then I say, oh, deary me, that was terrible. How. How unfortunate. [00:46:49] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:46:50] Speaker D: As we all do. [00:46:51] Speaker B: How long ago did that happen now? [00:46:53] Speaker A: August. Yeah. [00:46:55] Speaker D: You're still banging on about it. [00:46:56] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:47:01] Speaker C: Yes. Laura Collett. That's why I love her. [00:47:04] Speaker B: Jenny's like, I need Laura more often on this podcast. [00:47:07] Speaker C: I'm thinking of switching up the lineup of hosts to be completely on a silly prune. Where are you? In all seriousness, no. When you do something like that or fall off or do an injury, it's not just, oh, shit, that hurts. I'm guessing. Livelihood, badminton. All these things go flashing before your eyes. Do you know in that moment how bad the injury is? Like when you did? [00:47:31] Speaker D: Yeah, Well, I know it wasn't great, but I had six more horses to cross country school, so. [00:47:38] Speaker C: You did not. [00:47:39] Speaker D: Yeah, I did. [00:47:40] Speaker C: You. [00:47:43] Speaker B: That's amazing. [00:47:45] Speaker C: I was laughing. I wouldn't do that. [00:47:47] Speaker D: It's a really long way to Rosamond Green. It takes two and a half hours and everyone was there, so I Just had a job to do. [00:47:54] Speaker A: Schooled six horses with a broken collarbone. [00:47:57] Speaker D: Yeah, I did three events as well before I got it off race. [00:48:02] Speaker C: That is insane. [00:48:04] Speaker D: It did hurt quite a lot. [00:48:05] Speaker C: I'm not surprised. So actually having it operated now, you feel wonderful. [00:48:09] Speaker D: I didn't ride very well. The horses were very good. [00:48:12] Speaker C: Your horses are very good, though. [00:48:13] Speaker D: They're very well trained. See, it's all about training. They do it on their own. [00:48:18] Speaker C: All right, I'm gonna ask some serious stuff. Do you think watching what he does and you obviously knowing what these guys do, how much synergy and how much do you think the horse world moving forward can amalgamate these worlds and make horses lives a happier, pinker place, prettier. But do you think there is anything that we can amalgamate from Ben's world to the eventing world and make lives for horses better? [00:48:46] Speaker B: Big question. [00:48:46] Speaker C: It's a big question. We're here for the big questions, aren't we people? [00:48:51] Speaker D: I think, yeah. Well, I mean, like we were just saying, it's all about training and rewarding the horses and making sure they understand what it is we're asking of them and making things very clear and making it a happy environment to be in training, to be in competition. So I think it's very similar. [00:49:13] Speaker C: Really. [00:49:13] Speaker D: I mean, same same, but different, you know? [00:49:16] Speaker A: Yeah. I think you could absolutely do everything I do. There's no way I could do what you do. [00:49:21] Speaker D: I can barely stand up on my own two feet on the floor. [00:49:24] Speaker A: I think, yeah, this is my big thing at the moment when we're out presenting and teaching, is that there's more in common between me, you, Karl Hester and Boyd XL than there is different. Because it's just like number one is get a horse with the correct hardware and software. I don't care if it's confirmation's perfect. If it's got a brain that can't handle, you know, like consistent training, it shouldn't do the job. If it's got a great brain and a bad body, you shouldn't be trying to do the job. That's when you're going to hit these walls and it's going to go wrong depending at what level you're at. And then that idea of it is just the training. It doesn't matter if you're trying to do liberty, if you're reventing, if you're jumping, you're doing dressage, carriage driving. It's just explaining it to the horse and then keeping yourself accountable, because that's what I actually find Is the, it's not a technique thing or anything like that. Whenever you're talking to people at the top of their sport, it's the horses are good. I messed up that day. I could be better. I could ride that better. I need to work on my mindset. And then I notice, sorry, if you're listening to this, but my students who evolve have that mindset and my students who stagnate and come up with all these trauma bond stories and stuff about them and their horse. It's because it's easier to blame the fact that the horse and you aren't progressing on the owner it had four years ago than it is to, you know, just be like, cool, I suck at this. I either need to find the help myself online or in books and stuff, or I need to get lessons. And it's that self accountability is the thing that fixes everything. And then you don't even actually have to think about the welfare stuff and the social licensing stuff and all of that. Because if you're being self accountable, you know, when you're doing right and you're doing wrong and there's, you know, you're not trying to find excuses or reasons why this was okay in this scenario that was acceptable because of, you know, [00:51:18] Speaker B: He's so wise. [00:51:19] Speaker C: He's so handsome as well. He's wearing a great suit today. I know Laura's like, yeah, he's very clever, isn't he? [00:51:27] Speaker D: Very clever. That's what I was thinking. [00:51:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:51:32] Speaker B: Well, we're probably thinking, how the hell do I respond to that? [00:51:34] Speaker D: Smile and nod. [00:51:36] Speaker A: She actually wrote that down for me before we came on. [00:51:39] Speaker C: What? Smile and nod. [00:51:40] Speaker A: Smile and nod. [00:51:44] Speaker C: I was tempted. I was asking Simon if it was a good idea to throw questions out to the floor. [00:51:49] Speaker A: I think it is. [00:51:50] Speaker C: Is it a good idea? I don't want to know. If you've got a four year old and come and ask Ben questions on how to retrain it. I'm not gonna lie. [00:51:58] Speaker B: We've had that so many times. [00:51:59] Speaker C: We've had that. So, Ben, I've got a. [00:52:01] Speaker A: But if you would like to do that, please visit www.Ben AtkinsonMethod.com the first week is free. Thank you very much. [00:52:10] Speaker C: Yeah, no loading. [00:52:12] Speaker A: Ask me all the questions you want there. [00:52:14] Speaker C: But does anyone have a question for anyone up here? Because I don't want to not hand it out. Has anybody got a question doesn't involve us drinking alcohol? Oh, no. You were also shy. [00:52:24] Speaker B: Brilliant. [00:52:25] Speaker A: You've got a question. [00:52:26] Speaker C: One of this table must have a question. Someone Must. Yes. Oh. Oh, you've got a question for both Simon and Laura. What Feb. What fence are you most looking forward to jumping? [00:52:39] Speaker B: Looking forward to. [00:52:39] Speaker C: That's tomorrow, Saturday. You can't say the last one. Oh, [00:52:46] Speaker D: took the words right out of my mouth. [00:52:50] Speaker A: Simon can't say fence 4 either. [00:52:52] Speaker B: Can we have jumped it really well? Are we going to have dumped it really well? I reckon going through the lake would be pretty cool. Yeah, it goes really well. [00:53:02] Speaker D: If we can jump that fish and still be on board, then the fish. [00:53:07] Speaker C: It's only in our sport. If you. No other sport can you say if I've jumped a fish and I'm doing really well. [00:53:15] Speaker B: Not just a fish. A ginormous fish. [00:53:17] Speaker C: A ginormous fish with a hairy bush on top. [00:53:19] Speaker D: A hairy fish. [00:53:25] Speaker C: Definitely not getting invited back. [00:53:26] Speaker B: I'm just gonna stay silent and your mother's over there. [00:53:31] Speaker C: Hi, Mum. [00:53:32] Speaker A: At least we now have the title for this episode. Hairy Fish, Fishy Bush at Badminton. Well, anybody else? [00:53:51] Speaker C: Oh, we have a question. You're right. Which fence do you think will be the most influential? [00:54:02] Speaker D: I think that top water for the corners mainly because I think the frangible pins could be going quite a lot. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Which way are you going to go there? Do you know? [00:54:14] Speaker D: Not decided. [00:54:16] Speaker C: She has. She's just not telling you. [00:54:19] Speaker D: No, I really haven't. I think the. The straight route, you have to be very bold to the first, the corner in the water which then makes the last corner very blind and the other, the longer route is a very steep bank. [00:54:37] Speaker B: The bank's a lot steeper than you think it's to going to be. [00:54:39] Speaker D: It's a lot steeper and the distance, I think that will then make the distance a bit questionable to the rail in the middle. Even though it's a lot simpler fences the ground makes it more complicated. [00:54:52] Speaker C: Which one do you think or are you now agreeing? [00:54:55] Speaker B: You know, I think that that probably would be the most influential but I also think that it's the whole way around. It's, you know, there's question after question after question. [00:55:03] Speaker C: Yeah, it is a. A bit kind of like tumble dryer feeling to it. Yeah. [00:55:07] Speaker B: And that's very much the badminton thing as well. What a five star thing in general, isn't it? It's one big, big fence after another technical then big and both all the way. So it's making sure that, well, the horse's mental state that they're really strong all the way. So you could have problems over those corners. Near the end. Because it's near the end. [00:55:25] Speaker D: Yeah. I Think it's the, it's the cumulative effect. If you went out and you just jumped these or all these combinations as single combinations, then they're all very jumpable. [00:55:35] Speaker B: If we were schooling over them, if we were schooling, neither of us would do. [00:55:39] Speaker D: But they, they're all very jumpable. But you, you have the knock on effect and the intensity of the vicarage area. It's, you know, one thing after another after another. And down in that, as soon as you leave the lake here, there's nowhere to. What sort of what I would say, put the wheels back on, put the [00:55:57] Speaker C: air back in your lungs. [00:55:58] Speaker D: Yeah. If you have a bit of a, bit of a hairy jump somewhere, your next fence is probably going to be another hairy jump. So it's. You don't have those letup fences where you can just get the horse breathing and thinking again. They have to be very good at forgetting what's just happened and moving on. [00:56:16] Speaker B: And it's not just the horses. [00:56:19] Speaker D: Correct. [00:56:20] Speaker B: I was talking to my, my mindset coach at the beginning of the week and I, and I said to her, I find that I get really tired, like, well, physically and mentally around a big track. And so we've come up with some extra start boxes. So, like I'll do up to the lake, through the lake, then jump the table and then turn left and then that's my start box. So refresh. [00:56:42] Speaker C: So at that point, can everyone shout, good luck, Simon, off you go. Can we put different people round? Where are your other ones? We can have someone with a stopwatch going, 5, 4. [00:56:53] Speaker A: Please don't bloody pull up though, so you can do it. [00:56:58] Speaker B: And then my. I've got another start box going over the bridge after the water at the top. And again, that's another very good idea. But she hypnotized me to make me remember them, really. [00:57:10] Speaker C: Apparently Simon's galloping around going, where is my next start box? Oh, there's jump. Yeah. Any other questions? Oh, there is. Are you going? Wow. But you're lame. That was a finger. Thank you. [00:57:27] Speaker D: Mine was actually about mindset, which Simon [00:57:29] Speaker C: kind of just answered. But how do you get your head right and your mindset right for a big event or any event that you're doing? [00:57:35] Speaker A: Gin, alcohol, [00:57:38] Speaker D: what he said. For me, it's very much about having a plan, having a clear plan in my head. I like to write things down. So even from, like, what time I'm gonna wake up, get dressed, when I'm gonna get on, when I'm gonna start doing, you know, whatever, just so then I Feel like it gives my brain something else to think about other than being terrified. [00:58:01] Speaker B: And for me, a similar kind of thing. It's about being prepared. I've kind of tried my best to be super prepared for. For this, like, when it comes to fitness and training and all that kind of stuff, but everything really, and being organized and like, you know, it sounds stupid, but things like having my britches ready and I know where they are, but, like, before I can get on for my dressage, I'll get changed. If I can't find them, then I get myself in the right flap. Sounds stupid, but that's enough to then, you know, get me in the right old tis was. And that could affect me. So it's. It's all about being prepared. [00:58:33] Speaker C: And some of Miranda has given you lucky pants. Where are your lucky pants gone? [00:58:37] Speaker B: Mum's got them. [00:58:37] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Can we hold up? Can we see the lucky pants? This is a lovely gift from lovely Miranda. Who's over there? Miranda, hold your hand up. How cool are those? [00:58:50] Speaker B: It's just got quite a small pouch, [00:58:51] Speaker C: I think it's quite a size small pouch. [00:58:55] Speaker B: I'm not concerned about that. [00:58:57] Speaker C: They're not quite big enough, Miranda. She didn't know she was there on YouTube. Yeah. Any other questions? Oh, we've got. Shall I go out? Should I leap out? I need a wee. This could be dangerous. Hello, lovely lady. [00:59:18] Speaker D: To Simon again, your other sort of upcoming eventers. [00:59:22] Speaker C: Have you got any that you think in your mind might make it to the sort of level, or do you kind of play it by ear as you go and get to the level you're at? [00:59:32] Speaker B: I very much play it by ear. I mean, from experience, I've had some horses that I have got to five star that probably really never should have, because they've got the right mindset, they've [00:59:45] Speaker C: got the right brains, because you're so bloody good as well. [00:59:47] Speaker D: Thank you. [00:59:49] Speaker B: But it is, it is all down to their mentality, so it's difficult to say. But, like, I don't know if you've seen my little, little horse Miracle. He's only like 15, three. But Lily's cool, so you never know. Who knows, potentially? [01:00:04] Speaker C: Can I ask both of you a question out there? There's a bit of rain coming down. How much rain? Like, is this good, bad, like you've walked out there. Do we need a bit of rain? Like, what's. What's your mindset now? Looking out into the distance. [01:00:20] Speaker D: Glad it's happening at night. And as long as it stops before I go and do my dressage. That's fine. Yeah. Like the ground. The ground is. The ground is amazing. But it would take. It would definitely take a fair bit of rain. I just prefer not to be riding in the rain because I'm a bit of a fair weather rider. But, yeah, it would definitely look. We haven't had rain for a very long time, so to have the ground like it is, I think they've. It shows how much they've been working on it. But it would definitely take. [01:00:51] Speaker B: Take a fair bit because they have been watering and then there was. They said at the briefing that they've been watering, but they've actually stopped water because they were expecting. [01:00:58] Speaker C: They knew this was coming. [01:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah. And they're just. They're just playing it by ear because walking it today, I kind of felt like it could do with a bit of water. So this is. This is great. [01:01:05] Speaker A: Can I ask you to. So I will deliberately at home sometimes wait till it's torrential and then drag my performance horses out and be like. Because there will be days where we have to perform and work in this weather. Would do. Would you think about stuff like that in your training? Think like. Well, I know it's chucking it down, but it might be chucking it down when I do the dressage at the event. So I best make sure. [01:01:29] Speaker B: I love fair weather. [01:01:30] Speaker C: Laura doesn't have an indoor. Can we just say. [01:01:33] Speaker D: People often say, you know, do you wish you had an indoor? And I said, no, because if you've got an indoor and it's raining, you're going to go in the indoor and that exact same thing. Then you get to a competition and you're like, where's the indoor? Yeah. So, yeah, for me, it's as much as I. I don't like riding in the rain, but when it rains, I don't stop. [01:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:01:51] Speaker C: That's a very much Lucinda Green way of training. I remember being on a. On a clinic with her and it was absolutely. At Littleton Manor. [01:01:58] Speaker D: Yay. [01:01:58] Speaker C: Kate Tarrant's over. But it was very wet and she went on a big rant about the riders of today don't know how to ride in the mud. But the ground is so much better than it was back in the day. I mean, Simon's 20th. We can look back, but the ground is amazing, isn't it, compared to what you may have had to tackle in the past? [01:02:19] Speaker B: Well, yeah. And I remember coming and grooming here in 2007, I think it was. And there were a huge number of withdrawals because the ground was so firm, I think it was that year. And ever since then they've made such a massive effort and it shows. The ground here is great. [01:02:38] Speaker C: Any other questions? Oh, we've got a few. I'm coming over. I've got to come down. [01:02:44] Speaker A: I hate it when you arrive. Like, they can't win, can they? Because if they don't water the ground, you arrive and it's rock hard. You're like, oh. Or they've told you they've watered it loads and then it rains all night and you're like, great. Thank you very much. Wish you hadn't. [01:02:56] Speaker B: I remember. Sorry. I remember going to. [01:02:58] Speaker C: I like standing here. [01:02:59] Speaker D: It's fine. [01:02:59] Speaker C: But you look good. Thank you very much. Someone you know may have dressed me. Yeah. Inspired by Laura Collop. [01:03:08] Speaker B: I remember going to Hartbury, got to smack myself in the face. Good one. [01:03:13] Speaker C: Foods. [01:03:13] Speaker B: Well, for Saturday, I remember going to do the long format, which is a long time ago now at Heartbury and on the steeplechase it was really firm and they harrowed it to make. Make the ground good. And then that night it absolutely chucked it down with rain and it was literally, it was horrendous. It was like ploughed field. [01:03:32] Speaker C: I very much enjoyed. Sorry, I will come back. It was just lovely being. We're very lucky that we get to be behind the scenes for when you guys are doing your trot up because it's just a plethora of amazing riders. I'm such a fan girl. But what was hilarious was how many riders were there that were still had competed in the long format and they were like, oh, we're showing our age. But how many? [01:03:52] Speaker B: Only like three. [01:03:53] Speaker C: Only three riders. Who remembers long format? Austin o' Connor said he used to smoke his way around the steeple chase. He loved it. He's like, yep, I'm just gonna go around with a cigarette. But yeah. How many riders? Caroline Powell, Sarah Bullmore and Daisy Barkley. Daisy Barkley are the only ones who's written here. A long format. Yeah, you've written. Both are in long format but not here. [01:04:17] Speaker D: Yeah, I did my. My first three day event was the last long format. [01:04:21] Speaker C: Wow. [01:04:21] Speaker B: I did Bramham long format, so it's fun. [01:04:25] Speaker C: Didn't smoke your way around? [01:04:27] Speaker B: No. [01:04:27] Speaker C: What is your question? Lovely. Hi, guys. Of the three phases, what is the scariest warm up for you? And is it different at a five star compared to a normal event? Scariest warm? [01:04:44] Speaker D: I think it probably depends what horse you're sat on or if Janelle Price [01:04:48] Speaker C: is in There with you. As you said earlier, I haven't seen her since. A bit scared because she is really scary. [01:04:56] Speaker D: Although I have to say Janelle, so not I'm going off tangent but cross country morning. Everyone's like feeling sick, wondering what they're doing. Janelle. Last year I was walking back thinking, oh my God, I've got to go and get ready to get on and Janelle was on her horse in her cross country gear, walking up to the start box, eating on the horse. [01:05:16] Speaker C: She's such a ledge. [01:05:17] Speaker D: What's wrong with you? [01:05:18] Speaker B: She is super cool. [01:05:20] Speaker C: She is so. [01:05:20] Speaker B: She is ice and she is really scary, but she's really nice. [01:05:23] Speaker C: She is actually really nice. She is really nice. [01:05:25] Speaker D: She's really cool. But yeah, I think scary warm up depends what horse you're on, what position you're in. I think it fluctuates. I would say probably majority is cross country warm up. But then when I was in the lead on Dan, I would have 100% said it was show jump warm up. [01:05:44] Speaker C: Can I tell you which warm up you find the scariest? Because I know the answer to this because I've been team chasing with you. [01:05:51] Speaker D: Yeah, because you are scared. [01:05:53] Speaker C: We went to warm up and warm ups eventing are scary enough. But then times that by however many teams with four horses each. She was on a youngster, I was [01:06:01] Speaker D: on a four year old. [01:06:02] Speaker C: We went to Radian, she was like, no, Jenny, we're going out, we're warming up around the lorry park. She refused to go in there, terrified. And then just to add, we go over, she's like, I'll stay behind you because I'm on the baby, I can follow you. I hear as I'm going through a hedge, Jenny coming through and she literally jumps over me, pushes me into her hedge and canters off. She's a delight you didn't have. But it was good fun though. [01:06:28] Speaker D: At least I warned you I was going to do it. [01:06:29] Speaker C: Yeah, you did. Yeah. So that's where she finds life scary. Like genuinely. And we walk the course and we did the. [01:06:36] Speaker D: The baby. [01:06:36] Speaker C: The babies. But we watched the open. This is Olympic gold medalist. However many five star winner. She was like, there's absolutely no way I am jumping in that open. Wouldn't do it, would you? [01:06:48] Speaker B: Because they're massive, they're crazy. [01:06:50] Speaker D: They gallop flat out in a group of four on and they don't worry about seeing a stride. [01:06:57] Speaker C: To be fair, when we walked up, we did see a loose horse jump into someone's garden through a giant Hedge. And Laura's like, absolutely not. Not doing that. We'll go and jump the baby fences. Thank you, Jenny, because that's how you sound. What? [01:07:10] Speaker D: She probably did. [01:07:11] Speaker C: Yeah, it was a good, fun day, but. Yeah, you are. You were. I was very shocked when she was like, we're not going anywhere near that warm up. We don't need to jump anything before we go. Okay, what's your favorite, least favorite warm up phase? [01:07:23] Speaker B: Dressage. [01:07:24] Speaker C: Oh, is it? [01:07:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:07:25] Speaker C: But here's really nice because you are solo out there. Like, you can just be you and buster. [01:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah, I just. It's just I keep on talking about mindset and I am trying to get myself better with it, but I just have a bit of a mental block with it in general. [01:07:40] Speaker C: Well, you looked amazing out there today. [01:07:42] Speaker B: Oh, thank you. [01:07:42] Speaker C: Right, guys, we've only got 20 minutes left and we've got a few things to do, so I'm going to kick off with. As in tradition, if you've listened to the podcast, what has annoyed you this week? Has anything annoyed you? [01:07:56] Speaker D: You didn't warn me that we were doing things. [01:07:58] Speaker C: What's annoyed you this week? It doesn't have to be horse related. What has annoyed you this week? If anyone's got a particularly good one, as long as it's funny, we can [01:08:07] Speaker B: pass on, she'll be talking for ages so we can have a thing. [01:08:10] Speaker D: You go, what did you do this week? [01:08:12] Speaker C: What's annoyed me this week? I can't actually think what's annoying. I did have a really good one and I can't remember what it was. Ben, what's annoyed you this week? You've normally got a very good one. [01:08:23] Speaker A: Oh, I had one and now I can't. [01:08:27] Speaker C: Wow, this is a really great. [01:08:29] Speaker A: But I could pick another random one. But I know I was on the yard and something happened and I was like, that is my. [01:08:35] Speaker C: What did someone do to you on the yard? [01:08:37] Speaker A: Oh, it'll be something really small, but I'm really petty. Oh, this is really going to annoy me. [01:08:44] Speaker D: Okay. You think I. Oh. [01:08:46] Speaker C: Oh. [01:08:47] Speaker A: Leaving freaking beds up. Oh, why have you left the beds up? Because it's easier for me to skip out later. I couldn't give a shit. How dare you leave that horse stood on concrete with just banks around it. Ah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. [01:09:06] Speaker C: Like, say what you think. [01:09:07] Speaker A: Anyone who looks after horses and does things to make their life easier to the detriment of the horse, get off my and yard. Like to the point, like other leaving horses with platted tails in Stables can't stand it. Makes me want to scream like, no, make the horse comfortable. Make your own life difficult. Don't be lazy. Topping up. This is it. This is it. This is it. [01:09:33] Speaker C: I remember to get a drink from the bar. The podcast is going to go on for another hour. Can someone get me a wine? [01:09:38] Speaker A: We don't. I won't have automatic waterers because I like to know how much my horses have drunk. I like to stay on top of it. Topping up. Dirty water buckets. [01:09:49] Speaker B: Oh, that is really, really annoying. [01:09:51] Speaker A: And then come in to tell me, can I leave? I now have half an hour early, but everything's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, cool. Get off. Going around and check the horses, because I am. I have to. And you're like, this water's dirty. Oh, this one's dirty. Brilliant. [01:10:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:10:09] Speaker A: And breathe. [01:10:09] Speaker C: Do you feel better now? [01:10:10] Speaker B: Yeah, I do. [01:10:11] Speaker C: Oh, I know, right, okay. [01:10:14] Speaker D: Valid. [01:10:14] Speaker C: I know. Valid. This is why we do this on the podcast. It's like therapy for bed. [01:10:19] Speaker A: I could cut corners and do a shit job on my own yard for free. I don't need to pay for it. Like, [01:10:25] Speaker C: that's resonated with a few people in here. Like, there's a lot of nodding. Yeah. Okay. Laura, has anything annoyed you this week? [01:10:34] Speaker D: Not as much as. [01:10:35] Speaker C: Yeah, [01:10:37] Speaker D: I'm very lucky. Tilly doesn't cut corners. [01:10:40] Speaker C: Tilly Hughes. Gotta give her a shout out. Is she here? She come down. Is she looking after. [01:10:44] Speaker D: She'll be looking after Blake. [01:10:45] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. She's alleged. [01:10:48] Speaker D: No, she's alleged what has annoyed me this week. Having to do an interview with the BBC and them having to do about five takes because Bling wouldn't stand still. And they kept being like, well, should we try again? She's still not gonna stand still. She doesn't like standing still still. And then at one point, they asked what she was like, and I was like, well, she's a chestnut mare. She's very opinionated. And with that, she literally bowled me over and left the camera. And they were like, oh, that's great. I think we'll leave that in. I was like, fantastic. I look like I've never held a horse before. [01:11:23] Speaker A: It's good for morale for normal people, though, because when they're handling their horse at Pony Club and it, like, breaks their nose and knocks them over, they're like. I'm just like, Laura. [01:11:31] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, great, great. Simon's on cloud nine because his dressage is out of the way. Has anything annoyed you, Simi? [01:11:40] Speaker B: Not especially, other than myself. It happens quite regularly myself. Yesterday I was. Because Buster's been a little bit feisty and he's been really quite fresh and very spooky and tricky's probably a bit of a strong word, but, you know, and. But my little mind was kind of running away with me and, like, saying, oh, you can't do this. [01:12:02] Speaker C: And Jenny the chimp. [01:12:04] Speaker B: Yeah, Jenny was there. Yeah, you can't do this. Let's. Let's go home. But then I did have a little bit of word myself and I was like, right, okay, so you can. You can have a. You can whinge about as much as one tonight until you fall asleep, and then tomorrow morning when you wake up, let's change that mindset. And I did. So that was great. But yesterday I was like, for God's sake. It was so irritating. Come on, be positive. [01:12:24] Speaker C: But you've changed it around. So you're all right now I've done [01:12:27] Speaker B: it as well, so now I can be really positive about the jumping bits. [01:12:30] Speaker C: Do you know what's annoyed me? No, it's not that, but my hire car. Why does it keep on beeping at me? [01:12:39] Speaker D: Did you. [01:12:39] Speaker A: Because you poured coffee all over the front seats. [01:12:41] Speaker C: I did, but you can't. I put all over these trousers. You can't tell it. Literally a whole cup. This morning's devastated. It beeps at me. It's doing that. Has anyone had that lane assistant thing? Yes, thank you. Thank you. You're in the Pottswalds. You have to go round them and it keeps trying to drive you back into them. It drives me insane. I'm like, I know. I know how to. No, I know how to drive. And it keeps. So I have to keep trying to turn it off, but every time I turn the. It turns it back on. Lane assist. That's what's annoyed me. And I. Yeah, lots of nods. Thank you very much. [01:13:15] Speaker B: Maybe not this week, but, like, my. My card is there when you stop. The engine cuts out and then you. [01:13:19] Speaker C: Oh, that's really annoying. [01:13:20] Speaker B: It's so annoying because I. You know, you're ready to, like, do a quick move off, which is rare for me, but, like, it's even slower. [01:13:29] Speaker C: That was really funny. I don't know why I'm surprised. You are quite funny. No. And then it beeps at me for everything. Like, it's. It tells me if there's a car there. It tells me if I'm going over 30. It tells me. Then it beeped at me because it was then 60 and I was doing a 50 and I wasn't Going fast enough. It was just. I'm just. I feel assaulted by my hire car. [01:13:51] Speaker B: My cruise control is quite clever. Like, you put cruise and it slows down if you're getting to the car in front. I've never had. [01:13:56] Speaker C: Is that when you're on Buster? [01:14:01] Speaker A: No. [01:14:01] Speaker C: Speed up, speed up. [01:14:02] Speaker D: Speedy. [01:14:02] Speaker C: Siamy. Speedy. Simey. Right, I've got a little competition for a few volunteers. Is anyone willing to be. So I'm gonna give you guys bits of paper again and a pen. [01:14:14] Speaker B: And you do know it's the most. [01:14:16] Speaker A: Yeah, but I'm screwed. You two find this so easy. [01:14:20] Speaker C: I want you and you're not. Laura, you might need to help him. I'm gonna give him a start list. I want you, and I'm gonna ask if there's anyone. I'm gonna offer this out to three people. I want you to write down who you think is gonna come first, second, and third. We're gonna put it in an envelope. We're gonna seal it. We're gonna seal it and we're gonna read it out and see if you're right on the next podcast. So here's your envelopes. You're gonna write down who you think is gonna come first, second, or third. And I've got three of these to give out if anyone wants to have a go. And if you are right, we'll read it out on the next podcast and you can win some beautiful shut up and ride merchandise. You've got one of the tops on underneath. One of those from Supercross country. So is there anyone here who would like to have a go? Oh, lots of people. Top three. One, two, three. First, second, third. Benjamin, it's not that bloody hard. Oh, there we go. Look. Here we go. So we've got a few people. [01:15:15] Speaker B: Are we allowed help from the audience? [01:15:17] Speaker C: Pick me. Right, here we go. I need another bit of paper. So write first, second, third, then put your. Put it in, seal it and put your name on it. Oh, we've got small people. The thing is, you shouldn't be listening to the podcast. I had my first complaint. You guys are not child friendly. It's not bloody for children. [01:15:40] Speaker B: It can happen. [01:15:41] Speaker C: Happened yesterday. [01:15:42] Speaker A: Seriously? [01:15:43] Speaker C: Yeah. We were talking about your willy. Too much, apparently. How come? [01:15:48] Speaker A: It's a really big deal and you seem concerned. Now Jenny's had a complaint, but I get multiple complaints. And you do it. [01:15:54] Speaker C: Thank you. So you guys have got to listen out for the next podcast. This podcast will be going out live, but listen out for the next podcast. Did you help him? [01:16:03] Speaker A: I did it all by myself. Did you, Lottie Fry? Joe Stockdale. [01:16:12] Speaker C: You're quite funny. Tell everyone what you were asking. He. I was. He was like. Laura's horse is called London 52. [01:16:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:20] Speaker A: What happened to London 1 through 51 before we got to 52? [01:16:24] Speaker D: I have no idea. Really weird thing was he was named when I bought him and he's bred in Germany. I know. [01:16:32] Speaker A: That's really weird. [01:16:33] Speaker D: Really weird. [01:16:35] Speaker A: That's really. Yeah. I didn't think it was. Jenny found it very funny earlier. I was just amusing myself because I've always thought it's a bizarre name. [01:16:43] Speaker D: It is, I agree, but I don't have the. Have the answer. [01:16:47] Speaker C: Oh, Simon, can we lend your pen? Lady's got a question. Simon, you go. You go. Run, Simon. That's the fastest you'll see him go all weekend. [01:16:58] Speaker D: Hi. [01:16:58] Speaker C: It was just a step back to when we were talking. Talking about rider preparation and fitness and wondering about what off horse fitness you guys have felt most useful. So what do you do and what bit has been. Yeah, Laura, what do you do off the horse? Reformer? Pilates or strength and conditioning? Like what's. What do you do and what's best? [01:17:18] Speaker B: Go for it, Laura. [01:17:22] Speaker D: I go to a personal trainer twice a week, kind of do full body workout. The last few weeks have been very much focusing on lower body because haven't been able to use upper body. But main it's meant to be a full body workout. Simon does a lot of running up and down hills because I've seen that. [01:17:44] Speaker C: Oh, we all know about it on his socials. Morning, guys. [01:17:48] Speaker B: The lady over there, very clever lady over. I must plug my YouTube channel because there is a hole episode video all about fitness, about Buster's Fitness and my fitness for here. But yes, I've been doing a lot of hill reps which are hideous. [01:18:04] Speaker C: Was it Oliver Townen that during COVID when they did the kind of raising money thing, did like a 15 minute plank? It was ridiculous. [01:18:11] Speaker A: Oh, yes. [01:18:12] Speaker C: Can you. How long do you think you could plank for Plank, Simon Plank? [01:18:19] Speaker B: A really long time. [01:18:25] Speaker A: You're so naughty. [01:18:29] Speaker C: Right, before I forget, massive. Thank you. Hi, Mum. Sorry, my dad's deaf. We'll do it. I would say we'll do it. [01:18:38] Speaker B: My mum sat next to your mum. [01:18:41] Speaker C: And before I forget, guys, Ramsbury Gin, who have very kindly let us take over this whole space, are doing Rams Fest on Friday the 15th and Saturday the 16th of May and they've got some very cool bands. So I'm going to leave this out, but please go and look them up and make sure you look in the girls on that table. Love a festival. I've been to Nashville with two of them. If anyone's listened to the Nashville episode, blame those two ladies over there. Right, we are running out of time. On a very serious note, these two and you, absolute legends. Thank you, Laura, for. She was literally like, they're meant to be in a cocktail party now, being all schmoozy at the house, but they've chosen to spend their time with us. Can you join me in, first of all, just wishing them all the luck in the world and just like, we love your horses so much. They're so amazing. And you are. They go well because you are brilliant with them and you are so amazing with your horses. Having been on your yards, I know how you are behind the scenes. You are just as wonderful here as you are with your horses. And everything you see, guys, is completely genuine. They are purely brilliant. So can you please just wish them luck for the next few days? [01:19:56] Speaker B: Thank you, Jenny. [01:19:57] Speaker C: Honestly, I can't. I don't know how to express it enough, how much I can't wait to see you cross that finish line. And luckily, I get to be there. And again, I cannot say it enough. Ben is a true horseman. I don't. I can't bang on about it enough. I take the piss out of him, but he is truly magical with his horses. I've learned so much from him, and I'm really excited that this is now a shared space and. And hopefully we can keep doing good stuff and make horses lives better. [01:20:21] Speaker B: And we are very lucky to have you, Jenny. [01:20:23] Speaker C: Oh, thanks, Simon. [01:20:26] Speaker B: Even though you complain about us all [01:20:28] Speaker C: the time, I know. [01:20:30] Speaker A: We love it. Really. [01:20:31] Speaker C: I know. [01:20:32] Speaker A: Yeah. So we're very grateful for you, but. [01:20:34] Speaker C: And in all seriousness, we came up with this idea of a podcast to bring people together and just love horses and love the sport and raise the sport up, but at the same time, not forget people who just love their horses. And that's what this is about. It's about. It doesn't matter what you do. I don't give a crap if all you do is go and give your pony apples. That means as much as anything as long as you're lovely to your horse. And that feel. Feeling should be across. And let's just make the world a better place for horses and. And be inspired by these three because they are amazing with horses. Oh, you sharp. You shut up. You sharp, but sharp and ride. I couldn't have put it better myself, guys. Massive thank you. Give yourselves and these guys a massive round of applause. And sharp. And ride. [01:21:19] Speaker B: Shut up and ride. [01:21:20] Speaker C: Shut up. [01:21:24] Speaker A: I'm not doing it again because you did. [01:21:25] Speaker C: Again. [01:21:26] Speaker B: Shout out a bride. Shut up and ride. [01:21:33] Speaker C: Thank you very much, guys.